My Controversial Speech On The Civil War
Posted by Psychomike 12 years ago
Hi folks- this is the talk I gave on April 8, 2006 in Chicago at the The College Of Complexes. First- here is a posting I did explaining what happened- followed by the controversial speech.  
 
The talk on the Civil War Saturday night I gave to a two room packed audience actually became an emotional roller coaster. There were people who rose from their seats in shock yelling as I spoke of Lincoln's policies. Others who cheered as I went on. By the end of the night, three hours had passed, the restaurant was closing, it took me twenty more minutes to leave from the people standing around - some still in shock. I was actually surprised the response was far more emotional than the Joe McCarthy speech I gave some months back.  
 
The first thing I said that caused some people to yell BS and a few to walk out, was that historians and the press had long ago wiped out the fact that the Emancipation Proclamation did not free any slaves. Here by the way, is what I was talking about-  
 
The Emancipation Proclamation is often mistakenly praised as the legal instrument that ended slavery—actually, the Thirteenth Amendment to the Constitution, ratified in December 1865, outlawed slavery. The Emancipation Proclamation was actually the SECOND paper to free the slaves in the south! The southern slaves had already been freed- on a document called the CONFISCATION ACT OF 1862. This first document was hidden over the years by Lincoln cultists because it also outlined rules for seizing property and shutting down newspapers that questioned the war. Hiding the first act keeps the public over time from finding out about the ten thousand people held without charges in the U.S.! ( If you missed this talk, you not only missed the fireworks- but many facts deliberately hidden in the history of the war.) Here's my proof:  
http://www.answers.com/topic/emancipation-proclamation  
 
 
Now- the speech!  
 
 
 
OPENING STATEMENT  
 
 
 
My name’s Mike Flores and I do many things. I am the 20 some odd year head of the Chicago Psychotronic Film Society. Our events have included a party for the late Russ Meyer, director of films such as SUPERVIXEN and FASTER PUSSYCAT KILL, KILL, hosted an event with John Cleese of Monty Python fame, held parties for Kenneth Anger the underground filmmaker, Penn and Teller hosted a Halloween party for us at Excalibur, Bill Murray hosted a party for our members at his home, and much more. The society was created by myself and the late Del Close of Second City and Improv Olympic fame.  
 
 
 
I DJ a new form of music called mashups in the Chicago area under the name DJ Psychomike. I’ve done this about 4 or 5 years at places like THE LIAR’S CLUB and SONOTHEQUE.  
 
 
 
I work as an entertainer, writer, producer, and director and writer. My shows have included BETTIE PAGE UNCENSORED which ran for 43 weeks and was made into a movie, THE ACID TEST 1966, CUBS WIN!, BRING ME THE HEAD OF DEL CLOSE which ran for 33 weeks and played two theatre festivals.  
 
 
 
I also did comedy with Del Close for about 6 years as the Pope of the Church of Subgenius on radio, TV and live appearances.  
 
 
 
I am strictly an amateur at history, but as Stan Brakhage the underground filmmaker told me, the word amateur when broken down, means with love.  
 
 
 
Because I did spend years in the south, tonight’s talk will be a bit more personal, and different. I will be floating through time on this one, from what I saw as a kid, to our present illusions. The hidden truths, the illusions and just maybe, the why.  
 
 
 
 
I was last here some months back and talked to you about revelations about the CIA in recently declassified files on the McCarthy era. Since that time, in the last month I was surprised to discover that many of those materials have been re-classified. For the first time, unclassified documents that have been available for in some cases years and some only months, were quietly being re-classified. So what we discussed last time may become illegal to discuss in coming months. The New York Times reported that historians and authors had protested these actions and that they have been halted pending a review. What is interesting about this is that we are able to watch right out in the open the mechanizations of creating our history. Usually this happens over time, and not with the wave of a hand of a bureaucrat. Don’t like discovering the truth of what happened during the McCarthy era that doesn’t fit the “Red Scare” spin? Don’t worry. If they continue on the present censorship you will be able to relax in knowing “what everyone knows” about McCarthy.  
 
 
 
War is part of diplomacy. We like to see wars end and big parades. Wars, or rather, diplomacy doesn’t end. There isn’t really an end. Woodrow Wilson had a stroke and for over two years while he lay fading in and out and partially paralyzed his wife, now in effect our first woman President, authorized the Versailles Treaty as punishment on Germany. To the average person, the war was over. The anger Germany felt, the economic depression that made some turn to cannibalism, the effect of that treaty would lead to the National Socialists and finally Hitler. So, did the war really end?  
 
 
 
Everything Hitler wanted to stop, the reds in Europe, Jews in the Middle East, the British in the Middle East, happened. After the war. Now look at Iraq, Iran, Israel and changing rules in Russia and ask yourself if the war really ended. Because diplomacy we never know 80% of what has taken place, it is hard to know our history.  
 
 
 
History can also be lost. Did you know the first Thanksgiving was a celebration of the end of the communal farming the first colonists tried here? We had 7 Presidents before George Washington, the first was named Hanson. How did we lose this information? What was life like before the Boston Tea Party? All lost. The Indian wars between Puritans and Native Americans- replaced by school observations that have the Indian share food with the Pilgrims. The reality? Lost. And we aren’t even an old nation!  
 
 
 
The War Between The States is not immune to time fashioning what happened. In many ways, the war has not ended. The perception of the war, almost always obscuring the realities, keeps the war ongoing.  
 
 
 
I was born in California. My father was Mexican. His parents came across the border in Texas and had him here. So he was by birth a citizen as the rules were then. My mom was from Irish stock her family had come here as a result of British policies. That they paired up after meeting in the Navy (both served) how a woman from the deep south at the height of segregation ended up with a Mexican baffles me. And they got away with it. I LOVE LUCY was huge so maybe that explains it. The only celebrity I know of that was an Irish Mexican was Anthony Quinn. Famous for playing ZORBA THE GREEK. I bet there aren’t many Irish Mexicans in Ireland.  
 
 
 
I grew up in Japan raised by a Japanese nanny, much the same way white children on the plantation I suppose were raised by the female slaves. From Japan we moved to the American South. Virginia, followed by South Carolina and then Georgia. The generation I grew up with had to get out of the house. There were no video games and endless cable channels. Kids on the block would form baseball teams and fight pretend war games. Armed with toy guns we would re-enact Combat episodes in the woods nearby. Sometimes in the dirt coming up with arrowheads on the ground or old musket balls.  
 
 
 
Everywhere then was the Civil War.  
 
 
 
There were trading cards that came with bubble gum that showed in gruesome detail the violent horrors of the war. There were monuments to the Confederate Generals everywhere. Places that battles took place at had placards explaining the battles that happened there. The big store chain was Winn Dixie. As in Win- Dixie. Rebel Yell whiskey had a Confederate general on the label and was not for sale in the North. The billboards the whiskey had showed the General on raised horse holding a sword, and the tag line was something like IF YOU SEE IT FOR SALE IN THE NORTH, TELL US. WE’LL STOP THEM!  
 
 
 
GONE WITH THE WIND was only released every seven years and never shown on TV. The near hysteria over the re-release would go on for a year before the actual date.  
 
 
 
I watched COMBAT one night and a southerner was shown on the program. The episode was written and directed by Robert Altman who would later do MASH, and in the episode the soldier carries a southern flag and makes jokes about the north throughout the episode “ My granddaddy would never let a car named Lincoln at his home” and jokes like that. We as kids tried to play Civil War battles, but no kid wanted to be a Yankee.  
 
 
 
There was Aunt Fanny’s Cabin. Located in Smyrna Georgia on Campbell Road it was the most astonishing restaurant I had ever been to. It was huge and always packed, with rows of tables so you were really eating picnic style. A pre-teen black boy would come out in rags with a chalkboard around his neck He would recite what was on the board:  
 
 
 
HOWDY FOLKS!  
 
WHAT’LL IT BE?  
 
ALL COMPLETE DINNERS  
 
OUR FAMOUS FRIED CHICKEN  
 
GEN-U-INE SMITHFIELD HAM  
 
CHARCOAL BROILED STEAK  
 
FRESH RAINBOWN TROUT  
 
 
 
Then the little boy would take off for the next table. Thing is, the chicken really was the best I ever had. Soaked in buttermilk, crispy on the outside and tender and juicy on the inside. Stone Mountain had carved on one side Confederate Generals. My first time there some branch of the Ku Klux Klan was having a family picnic. No one wore the robes; there were no confederate flags only the stars and stripes. About 100 feet away was an all Black church group having a picnic. No one yelled at the other. No one threw rocks. It was the south.  
 
 
 
The schoolbooks I had, here’s one called ROBERT E. LEE AND THE ROAD OF HONOR printed by Random House had lines like this:  
 
 
 
THIS BOOK IS ABOUT A GREAT AMERICAN WHO WAS GUIDED BY SOMETHING HE BELIEVED TO BE THE MOST PRECIOUS QUALITY IN LIFE. IT IS CALLED A SENSE OF HONOR, A FORCE INSIDE US WHICH NOT ONLY TELLS US WHAT IS THE RIGHT THING FOR US TO DO BUT ALSO IMPELS US TO DO IT. ROBERT EDWARD LEE OF VIRGINIA, WHO LED THE ARMIES OF THE SECEDING SOUTH IN THE WAR FOR SOUTHERN INDEPENDENCE, WALKED STRAIGHT ON HONOR’S ROAD ALL HIS LIFE.  
 
 
 
BUT THE STORY OF LEE OF VIRGINIA DOES NOT HAVE AN END, NOT SO LONG AS MEN RESPECT AND REMEMBER COURAGE AND HIGH PURPOSE AND A SENSE OF DUTY AND HONOR.  
 
 
 
My mom was no fan of the old south. She loved GONE WITH THE WIND but for the wrong reasons. I have always suspected that Southern women see in Scarlet O’Hara the Irish spirit in love with the land who kept the towns running when the men were gone to war and then rebuilt it from the ashes. Which is what southern women actually did? For men, GONE WITH THE WIND is the story of men dealing with war and fickle women. For women I suspect there is much more.  
 
 
 
At least, back then. As a child thinking about GONE WITH THE WIND…..  
 
 
 
The Irish that went north took their love of the land in Ireland and kept it with them over the generations. Northern Irish Americans have a point of view and are vocal about it when it comes to Ireland.  
 
 
 
The Irish in the south however saw the hills and mountains, the cliffs and lakes, and fell in love with the south.  
 
 
 
Recently I watched on the news as about a dozen people from hate groups had united to march through a neighborhood they didn’t live to protest black crime. I watched as the hate group carried southern battle flags, and the hundreds who had shown up organized by the Progressive Labor Party, a pro Stalin group, threw rocks- at police. Then in order to teach the hate groups a lesson that frankly eludes me, the anti-hate crowd broke into and looted nearby homes, attacked cars and more. So angered they were by the rebel flag. The tiny hate group didn’t even live in the neighborhood! One looter explained the hatred she had for the stars and bars, a flag that to her stood for treason and slavery. States remove their battle flags from their state seals, colleges are pressured to ban confederate flags.  
 
 
 
Long gone from TV and film are references to the southerner who still talks bad about the north, but would die for it. Gone is Fanny’s. You can travel all over Atlanta and only hear northern accents. I have seen the history change twice in my life about a period that was over 100 years ago.  
 
 
 
My mother tried to instill in me a dislike for the old south and for segregation. I was raised in Japan during my formative years and born in California. This isn’t my war.  
 
So, where to start?  
 
 
 
Let’s begin with the first war on this soil over slavery.  
 
 
 
The abolitionist and religious movements that hated slavery had painted a picture of constant whippings, brandings and sexual abuse. In fact, according to their propaganda, there was little time for actual work. Dunmore suggested to the secretary of state in 1772 using slaves to quell war with foreign powers believing the slaves would rise up and seek revenge on their masters for the daily abuse.  
 
 
 
In 1775 Dunmore’s Proclamation placed Virginia into a state of martial law. It offered freedom to slaves and bonded servants and families if they would fight for the British. Thousands fled the plantations and signed up. It wasn’t however motivations of revenge that they fled to the British side for. It was the promise of liberty. Whoever offered the best concrete offer of freedom would get their support.  
 
 
 
George Washington urged for Dunmore to be crushed.  
 
 
 
At the Boston Massacre of 1770 when Crispus Attucks, a freed black was killed, slaves must have asked “Whose freedom did he die for?”  
 
 
 
As the war moved south the former slaves found themselves in Florida when the end came. The British took off on their ships and advised the blacks to head to Canada. It is a long walk from Florida to Canada.  
 
 
 
Some tried to swim out to the boats to leave with the British. The sailors were ordered to use their machetes to chop the arms off the slaves to keep them from boarding. Yet they kept coming. Because on the beach, angry former colonists were killing them as they swam in.  
 
 
 
The tortures, lynching and murders that befell these blacks as they journeyed north have never been made into a movie or novel. The industrialized states barred entry by blacks (that’s why the Underground Railroad ended in Canada, not Illinois). It is unknown how many made it to Canada. Until recently it was thought less than 800 blacks joined the British, now we know through records it was in the thousands. It is safe to say that thousands were murdered in gruesome fashion on the journey to Canada.  
 
The British would end all slavery in 1832 in all their territories. If the slave owners had lost the Revolution, they still would have lost all their slaves without question almost 30 years before our civil war, without firing a shot or losing one life.  
 
 
 
The stories that were told in the slave’s quarters were that the tortures and murders were longer and more chilling in the north. Those that had fled with families faced horrors so bad, that the record was until recently, “forgotten”.  
 
 
 
Right about now you should strap on your seat belts and buy me a beer because we are getting to the second war about slavery in this country.  
 
 
 
Civil War buffs all know the Robert E. Lee quote, ‘IT IS WELL THAT WAR IS SO TERRIBLE, ELSE WE SHOULD GROW TOO FOND OF IT`  
 
 
 
But here’s one you may have missed: WHEN YOU ELIMINATE THE BLACK CONFEDERATE SOLDIER, YOU’VE ELIMINATED THE HISTORY OF THE SOUTH.  
 
 
 
So I read these words over. When you eliminate the black confederate soldier- what black confederate soldier? What is Robert E. Lee talking about? What did the north and the south tell themselves were the reasons for war in the first place? What really happened?  
 
 
 
When I lived down south I had daily reminders of the War Between the States. Bumper stickers that had a rebel flag and the words, DON’T BLAME ME I VOTED FOR JEFF DAVIS, license plates with confederate battle flags and some cutesy rebel soldier with a leg in a cast and the words HELL NO I AIN’T FERGETIN’. When I moved up north I had discovered that the north had no interest in the war. Though a great deal of interest in Lincoln. Note the name of this restaurant. The Lincoln Restaurant on Lincoln Avenue in the Land of Lincoln!  
 
 
 
It was a let down that the battles I had memorized and day dreamed about were ignored up here, but all that would change with Ken Burns and his PBS show. Suddenly restaurants with southern themes and food swept the big cities of the north. Krispy Kreme donuts suddenly appeared. And horror of all horrors, today you can buy REBEL YELL whiskey in finer liquor and wine stores in the north. I highly recommend the whiskey by the way. I began to find people interested in the war that continues to define us, even though the message long ago replaced the facts. This is knowledge that can’t fit on a bumper sticker or a license plate. Much of it will be new. And yes we will find out why what happened to the runaway slaves of the south during the first war over slavery would play a role in the second.  
 
 
 
What started this argument between slaves, freedmen, families and everyone alive at the time on earth that read papers?  
 
 
 
The Constitution is the first player in this family squabble. The South believed that the Union formed under the Constitution was of consent and not force. The states were not beholden to the government, it was the reverse. The government must always answer to the people. No war without the consent of the states, because the states were the creators of government, not its creatures. The South felt it had earned its independence from England, were granted by England their freedom and sovereignty and had not surrendered these on entering the union. They stated that there was nothing in the Constitution that gave anyone the power to invade a state or use force of any kind against it.  
 
 
 
For Lincoln and the federalists, the union was perpetual. The unit could not be divided. The right of self preservation that every nation on earth had so did the union.  
 
 
 
Period.  
 
 
 
When I say the name Abraham Lincoln you have an image in your mind. That image looms large over our terrain and remains a potent image for everything from restaurant signs to poetry to paintings to furniture sales, statues in the park, his face on our coins and bills.  
 
 
 
There is no such image when I say Jefferson Davis. You can’t get more erased out of history. So let me tell you about him and the times he lived so that I when I mention his name you’ll have an idea of the man who doesn’t have hundreds of books, TV shows, statues and mythology.  
 
 
 
The south itself in the 1850’s had a period of unprecedented prosperity. The laws of how long a slave could be a slave before being freed were in effect, and more and more blacks were becoming free. In Charleston homes in white neighborhoods were bought by blacks and rented to whites. One group of black speculators held properties worth $500,000 in 1850’s money- a mind boggling amount today. About 25% of freed blacks owned slaves in the south- some to free other family members, some to make money and some did both. Freed slaves could open bank accounts, run stores and shops and in the case of New Orleans, actually participate in the local government.  
 
 
 
The north has a different story. The north was being hurt- industrialization was expensive. So was building homes and buildings to grow. It was running out of money to change itself, and higher tariffs on the south were used to get that money. There was another way. Cheap labor could have been brought in. But blacks were barred from the states that were trying to grow, Irish tradesmen in the north kept the cheaper labor force out. So the North needed more money and the south felt angry as the tariffs rose.  
 
 
 
Jefferson Davis is among the names of the somewhat eccentric or colorful people who make up the story. There was also Judah Benjamin the Jew in charge of the treasury, Colonel Benavides from Mexico and General Standwaite- a Native American who was actually the last southern general to surrender at the end of the war- whom Southern mythmakers would replace with Lee and Grant- even though that Appomattox surrender document was reversed and dropped later.  
 
 
 
Davis had told states that wanted to re-introduce slavery no way. He adopted a black child that he raised as his own. Taken prisoner by Union soldiers who beat and clubbed him with their rifles when they arrested him, his child ran out and lay on top of him, absorbing the blows from the soldiers. Yelling for them not to hit his daddy. Which, by the way stunned the soldiers?  
 
 
 
Held in prison without charges for two and a half years after the war, he was kept in solitary confinement and was not allowed visits from family or lawyers. The Pope made a crown of thorns with his own hands, cutting himself in the process, and sent it to President Johnson urging him to either charge Davis or let him go. Davis was finally freed after the President received the bloodied crown.  
 
 
 
The issue of slavery was a cloud over tariffs and the Constitution. Yet it would eventually replace all the original reasons for the war.  
 
 
 
The north killed more slaves in inhuman conditions than the south. It brought the slaves here to New York and New England and did not start selling them in the south until the market in the north was saturated. The slaves built New York City and were instantly forgotten for having done so.  
 
 
 
Lincoln let it be known he opposed citizenship for Blacks. He wanted to gather them together, and we are talking about people who had been here a few generations, and send  
 
them back to Africa. He did not bar slave states from entering the union; he did nothing to free slaves in northern states still mostly agricultural. The companies trafficking in slaves during the war staid in New England, and their offices paid tariffs all through the war!  
 
 
 
Davis argued that slavery was winding down everywhere. He argued that only by welcoming the freed slaves into the community could the south survive. That played a role in his legal adoption. Robert E. Lee freed his family slaves before the war because he said, “he wanted no one to say he fought for slavery instead of the right for a state to leave the union.” Article 1 section 9 of the Confederate Constitution outlawed the slavery trade. No more buying and selling.  
 
 
 
Blacks could not open bank accounts, own property or work in most of the states in the north. They could in the south. Alex deTocqueville had earlier expressed shock after seeing all white builders and tradesmen in the north when he saw black and white tradesmen working side by side in the south!  
 
 
 
South Carolina was the first to leave the Union after Lincoln’s election, half dozen states followed suit. Which at the time included Mississippi, the number one cash making state in the country? And the highest tariff payer.  
 
 
 
West Virginia in an irony lost in time. It was created illegally by Lincoln by succeeding it from Virginia. That’s right. The man who argued the South had no right to leave the union, he could divide up states if he wanted. West Virginia was allowed to keep their slaves! General Grant took some of his slaves with him into battle, as did his troops. So succession was wrong unless it was done by the government!  
 
 
 
 
 
For decades southern racists have insisted that the south’s black soldiers saw little combat, and are insignificant. The truth of the matter is that years before the south called up Blacks to fight for the cause and before slavery had become the issue, many blacks served unofficially. Dr. Lewis Steiner was a Yankee that was in Frederick Maryland when he saw the rebel troops on their way to Sharpsburg. Here is the message he sent to the union forces:  
 
 
 
THE MOVEMENT (OF TROOPS) CONTINUED UNTIL 8:00 PM, OCCUPYING 16 HOURS. THE MOST LIBERAL CALCULATION COULD NOT GIVE THEM NORE THAN 65,000 MEN. OVER 5000 NEGROES MUST BE INCLUDED IN THAT NUMBER BRANDISHING ARMS, RIFLES, MUSKETS, SABERS, BOWIE KNIVES. THEY CARRY KNAPSACKS, WATER CANTEENS AND SLEEPING MATERIALS ISSUED BY THE CSA. MORE NEGROES COULD BE SEEN DRIVING WAGONS, RIDING ON CAISONS, IN AMBULANCES, WITH THE STAFF OF GENERALS AND PROMISCUOSILY MIXED IN WITH THE WHITE TROOPS.  
 
 
 
In all the decades of civil war art, not one painting has ever included the black troops that fought the north at Sharpsburg. Perhaps I shouldn’t be so surprised that we have changed out attitudes so radically over time about the war, when the attitudes and meaning of the war were changed half way through the war as well.  
 
 
 
That happened with a failed propaganda piece called the EMANCIPATION PROCLAMATION.  
 
 
 
First, hidden from us, is the fact that the 1862 Confiscation Act had already freed the slaves in the southern states by declaring them “forever free”! The Confiscation Act also authorized the seizure of land, homes and businesses that assisted the rebellion. It led to shutting down newspapers, jailing reporters without charges, and abuses far beyond anything done with our Patriot Act.  
 
 
 
Lincoln never mentioned or wrote on the First Amendment. He is in fact the only President we ever had that never mentioned it. In all his speeches on liberty, you will find no mention of free speech or a free press.  
 
 
 
Lincoln suspended habeus corpus. The confiscation act was used to silence any newspaper that called on the North to use the courts against the south. In fact, if you even told a joke about Lincoln you would lose your home and go to jail.  
 
 
 
More than 10,000 were arrested and held without trial or charges. He secretly paid newspaper publishers, and wrote articles praising his actions under assumed names.  
 
 
 
There is far more to Lincoln than “Honest Abe”.  
 
 
 
The Proclamation itself was meant to encourage the slaves in the slave states to rebel. They didn’t. They remembered what happened to the slaves that had joined the British, and decided to just sit it out. The proclamation however, was a much cleaner paper than the Confiscation Act which freed the same slaves, yet left embarrassing questions about Constitutional abuse away from the prying eyes of historians.  
 
 
 
Here in Chicago the Sun Times was shut down. Camp Douglas was a prison for southerners in Chicago. Black confederates were shot on the spot upon entry to the camp. The guards would actually fire into the crowd of prisoners to hit the Blacks. If they had to take down white Confederates to get them, well that just added to the fun. Food for the prisoners was allowed to rot to “punish them”. When some Chicagoans signed a petition to allow doctors and food into the camp, all that signed it were arrested and sent to Camp Douglas without a trial.  
 
 
 
Southerners began re-writing the war in the 1870’s. To explain the loss of life, the confederate soldier was praised. Duty and honor was what the south came to see as the reasons for fighting the war.  
 
 
 
By the war of 1896 the Spanish- American War the courage of southerners in battle was praised, and soon even the North looked with delight at these folks who couldn’t let the old south, which never existed, go. Lee became a national hero, blue and grey re-unions would become the order of the day.  
 
 
 
The absence of concern for Black people made it easy for the entire nation to romanticize the old south. Interesting that blacks stopped going to the re-unions after the first one.  
 
 
 
Today we are just as wrong in our analysis of the war. A great northern migration to the south is currently happening, and northern blacks get angry when they see the Confederate flags and monuments. Yet as long as the story of the period ignores all the other issues save one, as long as the role of Blacks and Indians in the war is ignored, the wounds will remain open, the quest for what happened, unending.  
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
odd- anyway, concluding remarks
Psychomike: Oddly this speech was posted twice and left off the concluding remarks and left a lot of white space. Oh well. Here's the Closing:  
 
CLOSING STATEMENT  
 
As a lover of history, it pains me to say that the bromide, THOSE WHO DON’T KNOW THEIR HISTORY ARE DOOMED TO REPEAT IT is both true and false when it comes to the Civil War.  
 
We haven’t known the actual acts of Lincoln, the reasons for the war, or the attitudes of the day for over a century yet still we muddle through.  
 
Yet, perhaps the reason the crowd went beserk recently when a hate group showed up with a Confederate battle flag, perhaps the reason the Civil Rights battle was so long and bloody was because the Jim Crowe era south had erased those 5000 black soldiers from the memory of Sharpesberg. Perhaps by only telling the winners embellished side, we have perpetuated the problems and issues that existed even then.  
 
Today in America, we speak of the race card. Yet no one speaks of race anymore. Qualms and questions whites have can no longer be expressed in the open. I contend that has not made them go away, no matter how smug and politically correct we are.  
We are kidding ourselves when we believe racism is conquered. So in a way the statement is correct.  
 
Perhaps the reason issues such as state’s rights, red and blue states, race relations all remain unresolved. Perhaps it’s because by Lincoln using the bullet instead of the law, none of the arguments were ever resolved and from state’s rights to our present wars the old wounds never heal.  
 
By not knowing our past, we are doomed to reshape, twist and forget it.  
 
And continue the arguments of old.  
Soya: Can't wait to read this...too long for right now.
The Lost Cause
Unclelooney: Hii Mike  
Apparently the Great Lincoln Conspiracy hid the articles of secession from you.  
 
 
Opening paragraph, Mississippi Declaration of Secession:  
 
Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun.  
 
Opening paragraph, Georgia Declaration of Secession:  
 
The people of Georgia having dissolved their political connection with the Government of the United States of America, present to their confederates and the world the causes which have led to the separation. For the last ten years we have had numerous and serious causes of complaint against our non-slave-holding confederate States with reference to the subject of African slavery.  
 
From the Texas Declaration of Secession:  
 
Texas abandoned her separate national existence and consented to become one of the Confederated Union...She was received into the confederacy...as a commonwealth holding, maintaining and protecting the institution known as negro slavery-- the servitude of the African to the white race within her limits-- a relation that had existed from the first settlement of her wilderness by the white race, and which her people intended should exist in all future time.  
 
In all the non-slave-holding States...the people have formed themselves into a great sectional party...based upon an unnatural feeling of hostility to these Southern States and their beneficent and patriarchal system of African slavery, proclaiming the debasing doctrine of equality of all men, irrespective of race or color-- a doctrine at war with nature, in opposition to the experience of mankind, and in violation of the plainest revelations of Divine Law. They demand the abolition of negro slavery throughout the confederacy, the recognition of political equality between the white and negro races, and avow their determination to press on their crusade against us, so long as a negro slave remains in these States  
 
...all white men are and of right ought to be entitled to equal civil and political rights; that the servitude of the African race, as existing in these States, is mutually beneficial to both bond and free, and is abundantly authorized and justified by the experience of mankind, and the revealed will of the Almighty Creator, as recognized by all Christian nations...  
 
From the South Carolina Declaration of Secession:  
 
We affirm that these ends for which this Government was instituted have been defeated, and the Government itself has been made destructive of them by the action of the non-slaveholding States. Those States have assume the right of deciding upon the propriety of our domestic institutions; and have denied the rights of property established in fifteen of the States and recognized by the Constitution; they have denounced as sinful the institution of slavery; they have permitted open establishment among them of societies, whose avowed object is to disturb the peace and to eloign the property of the citizens of other States. They have encouraged and assisted thousands of our slaves to leave their homes; and those who remain, have been incited by emissaries, books and pictures to servile insurrection.  
 
 
Unclelooney: http://collections.mnhs.org/visualresources/image.cfm?imageid=116532&Page=26&Keywords=Grand%20army%20of%20the%20republic&SearchType=Basic  
 
Got any photos of UDC meetings with black members?
Unclelooney: There were no black Confederates.  
That myth was started by the the SCV in the '70's  
after the success of the TV series, ROOTS.  
Find one Black Confederate soldier on the National Park Service database.  
 
Your Speech is largely plagarized from the Discredited opus by Thomas DiLorenzo; THE REAL LINCOLN.
Unclelooney: "She (Mississippi) has heard proclaimed the theory that all men are created free and equal, and this made the basis of an attack upon her social institutions; and the sacred Declaration of Independence has been invoked to maintain the position of the equality of the races. That Declaration of Independence is to be construed by the circumstances and purposes for which it was made. The communities were declaring their independence; the people of those communities were asserting that no man was born - to use the language of Mr. Jefferson - booted and spurred to ride over the rest of mankind; that men were created equal - meaning the men of the political community; that there was no divine right to rule; that no man inherited the right to govern; that there were no classes by which power and place descended to families, but that all stations were equally within the grasp of each member of the body politic. These were the great principles they announced; these were the end to which their enunciation was directed. They have NO REFERENCE TO THE SLAVE; else, how happened it that among the items of arraignment made against George III was that he endeavored to do just what the North had been endeavoring of late to do - to stir up insurrection among our slaves? Had the declaration announced that the negroes were free and equal, how was the prince to be arraigned for stirring up insurrection among them? "  
 
 
 
Jefferson Davis' farewell speech to the US Senate.
Unclelooney: Sorry Mike,  
I'm at work and don't have time to post proper links.  
 
http://www.litch.com/gar/GAR-Members-Sm.jpg  
 
 
http://collections.mnhs.org/VisualResources/VRDbimages/pf026/pf026596.jpg  
 
 
http://suvcw.org/past/tpenland.htm  
http://www.horsesoldier.com/catalog/reunion.htm  
 
http://www.ellisfamilystory.com/chapter1.htm  
 
Black Federals at reunions. Where are the confederates?  
(the neo confederate websites like to post pictures of cooks, but do they count?)
Unclelooney:  
History can also be lost. Did you know the first Thanksgiving was a celebration of the end of the communal farming the first colonists tried here? We had 7 Presidents before George Washington, the first was named Hanson. How did we lose this information? What was life like before the Boston Tea Party? All lost. The Indian wars between Puritans and Native Americans- replaced by school observations that have the Indian share food with the Pilgrims. The reality? Lost. And we aren’t even an old nation!  
 
 
LOL!  
You've obviously read the THE POLITICALLY INCORRECT GUIDE TO AMERICAN HISTORY.  
 
Here are some reviews from CONSERVATIVES.  
http://hnn.us/articles/10493.html  
 
BTW,  
The first "Thanksgiving" took place after the "Old Settlers" Distributed the land of the plymouth Colony between themselves. Interesting take, yours.  
 
Washington was the first President after the constitution was ratified. You left that part out.  
 
 
Finally; What conspiracy is hiding King Philip's War from us?  
(This the Indian/Colonist war Mike referred to.)
Psychomike:  
I didn't learn about Philips war in high school or college.  
 
If they teach it now instead of portraying the era as Indians and Puritans having turkey together - cool.
Unclelooney: "She (Mississippi) has heard proclaimed the theory that all men are created free and equal, and this made the basis of an attack upon her social institutions; and the sacred Declaration of Independence has been invoked to maintain the position of the equality of the races. That Declaration of Independence is to be construed by the circumstances and purposes for which it was made. The communities were declaring their independence; the people of those communities were asserting that no man was born - to use the language of Mr. Jefferson - booted and spurred to ride over the rest of mankind; that men were created equal - meaning the men of the political community; that there was no divine right to rule; that no man inherited the right to govern; that there were no classes by which power and place descended to families, but that all stations were equally within the grasp of each member of the body politic. These were the great principles they announced; these were the end to which their enunciation was directed. They have NO REFERENCE TO THE SLAVE; else, how happened it that among the items of arraignment made against George III was that he endeavored to do just what the North had been endeavoring of late to do - to stir up insurrection among our slaves? Had the declaration announced that the negroes were free and equal, how was the prince to be arraigned for stirring up insurrection among them? "  
 
 
 
Jefferson Davis' farewell speech to the US Senate.
Unclelooney: "She (Mississippi) has heard proclaimed the theory that all men are created free and equal, and this made the basis of an attack upon her social institutions; and the sacred Declaration of Independence has been invoked to maintain the position of the equality of the races. That Declaration of Independence is to be construed by the circumstances and purposes for which it was made. The communities were declaring their independence; the people of those communities were asserting that no man was born - to use the language of Mr. Jefferson - booted and spurred to ride over the rest of mankind; that men were created equal - meaning the men of the political community; that there was no divine right to rule; that no man inherited the right to govern; that there were no classes by which power and place descended to families, but that all stations were equally within the grasp of each member of the body politic. These were the great principles they announced; these were the end to which their enunciation was directed. They have NO REFERENCE TO THE SLAVE; else, how happened it that among the items of arraignment made against George III was that he endeavored to do just what the North had been endeavoring of late to do - to stir up insurrection among our slaves? Had the declaration announced that the negroes were free and equal, how was the prince to be arraigned for stirring up insurrection among them? "  
 
 
 
Jefferson Davis' farewell speech to the US Senate.
Shall I Go On?
Unclelooney: "It's pure fantasy," contends James McPherson, a Princeton historian and one of the nation's leading Civil War scholars. Adds Edwin Bearss, historian emeritus at the National Park Service: "It's b.s., wishful thinking." Robert Krick, author of 10 books on the Confederacy, has studied the records of 150,000 Southern soldiers and found fewer than a dozen were black. "Of course, if I documented 12, someone would start adding zeros," ... These and other scholars say claims about black rebels derive from unreliable anecdotes, a blurring of soldiers and laborers, and the rapid spread on the Internet of what Mr. McPherson calls "pseudohistory."..."it's a search for a multicultural Confederacy, a desperate desire to feel better about your ancestors," says Leslie Rowland, a University of Maryland historian. "if you suggest that some blacks supported the South, then you can deny that the Confederacy was about slavery and white supremacy
States Rights Was The Right To Own Slaves!
Unclelooney: "The Constitution is the first player in this family squabble. The South believed that the Union formed under the Constitution was of consent and not force. The states were not beholden to the government, it was the reverse. The government must always answer to the people. No war without the consent of the states, because the states were the creators of government, not its creatures. The South felt it had earned its independence from England, were granted by England their freedom and sovereignty and had not surrendered these on entering the union. They stated that there was nothing in the Constitution that gave anyone the power to invade a state or use force of any kind against it."  
 
 
 
Good Lord Mike! The South won every argument over slavery until 1861. Slavery was not going to die out in the south. The slaveocracy had every intention of spreading the institution. I see The Lincoln-Douglas debates have been hidden from you as well. LOL!  
The Slave-O-Crats loved the power of the federal government when it suited THEIR interests. Have you never heard of the Dred Scott Decision?  
How about the fugitive slave act?  
 
The north on the other hand was perfectly willing to invoke states rights in order to pass and enforce anti-slavery legislation..  
 
 
http://www.civilwarinteractive.com/ArticleStatesRights.htm
Unclelooney: "Camp Douglas was a prison for southerners in Chicago. Black confederates were shot on the spot upon entry to the camp. The guards would actually fire into the crowd of prisoners to hit the Blacks. If they had to take down white Confederates to get them, well that just added to the fun. Food for the prisoners was allowed to rot to “punish them”. When some Chicagoans signed a petition to allow doctors and food into the camp, all that signed it were arrested and sent to Camp Douglas without a trial."  
 
 
 
Complete and utter crap.  
 
Unclelooney: "The south itself in the 1850’s had a period of unprecedented prosperity. The laws of how long a slave could be a slave before being freed were in effect, and more and more blacks were becoming free. In Charleston homes in white neighborhoods were bought by blacks and rented to whites. One group of black speculators held properties worth $500,000 in 1850’s money- a mind boggling amount today. About 25% of freed blacks owned slaves in the south- some to free other family members, some to make money and some did both. Freed slaves could open bank accounts, run stores and shops and in the case of New Orleans, actually participate in the local government.  
 
 
 
The north has a different story. The north was being hurt- industrialization was expensive. So was building homes and buildings to grow. It was running out of money to change itself, and higher tariffs on the south were used to get that money. There was another way. Cheap labor could have been brought in. But blacks were barred from the states that were trying to grow, Irish tradesmen in the north kept the cheaper labor force out. So the North needed more money and the south felt angry as the tariffs rose".  
 
 
More crap.  
There were no laws limiting how long people could be slaves.  
 
The antebellum north was overwhelmingly rural.  
In fact, what is now Minnesota and the rest of the midwest could rightly be called the frontier. What state in the CSA (other than Texas) was the frontier? The Republicans supported Homesteading, barring slavery in the territories and tariffs. All which were intended to better the lives of the average Joe. The slave-o-crats of the south had no intention or desire to help anyone else raise their standard of living. The nullification crisis was obstensivly about tariffs, but more about smearing JQ Adams and getting(the Staunchly pro Union btw)Andy Jackson in the white house. John c Calhoun admitted that he thought the Tariff/nullification crisis was a test case to see if a state could nullify any federal leglislation that would curtail slavery.  
No other southern state backed SC during this "crisis."  
 
Irish Tradesman?  
In 1860, 20% of of the working class population. was black.  
The people who came over on the famine ships from Ireland were generally desperate peasants, not tradesmen.  
 
One more thing, The northern economy boomed during the war.  
 
 
Mike,  
Did you know that the Democratic party split over the issue of slavery? Did you know the Methodists, Baptists and Presbyterians split into northern and southern factions over the slavery issue.
Unclelooney: 20% of the Working class population in NYC was black in 1860. That's what i meant.
Unclelooney: 20% of the Working class population in NYC was black in 1860. That's what i meant.
Uncle Looney
Psychomike:  
Geesh dude this a lot of seperate comments.  
 
I haven't read THE REAL LINCOLN though I do recommend THE WRATH OF LINCOLN.  
 
There most assuredly are black members of those Confederate orgainzations.  
 
Most of the questions you raise can be found by doing what computer nerds say: FGI. I usually don't quote computer nerds, but this one is cool. FGI means fucking google it.  
 
Type in black confederates in google and brace yourself.  
 
So many people think we've been lied to about UFO's, Iraq, Viet Nam, JFK, and on and on and then many of those same people believe every word they were taught in high school about the civil war. Whatever.  
 
Unclelooney: Geessh Dude  
Do you think you're first lost causer I've encountered? Those Black Confederate Websites  
you mention post the same article.  
They also try to pass off slaves pressed into service as cooks and servants as soldiers.  
You're pretty proud of your speech.  
Maybe you should post it on a history site.  
LOL!  
 
http://www.militaryhistoryonline.com/Forums/ViewPost.aspx?ForumID=19&ID=4244&p=1&pt=233  
Unclelooney: "So many people think we've been lied to about UFO's, Iraq, Viet Nam, JFK, and on and on and then many of those same people believe every word they were taught in high school about the civil war. Whatever. "  
 
Good rebuttal, Mike.
Creepy
Psychomike: So this guy just joined, has posted no links, and spends all his time leaving this babbling, raving, accusatory without back up statements at me.  
 
Well you are missing a lot by bypassing Linkfilter and the other posts here- but this is exactly the behavior I was talking about at the head of the article.  
 
This guy saw the post. It got him angry enough to sign up just to respond. He then expects me to drop all my cp points to respond to this odd mix of fact and fantasy.  
 
For example- what article is he referring to that "all" that question Lincoln are copying from? Why am I supposed to know that? There are two books on the subject I do know below.  
 
This reaction- the near hysteria ( I wonder if this person realizes what he is doing with all these posts whole clearly ignoring everyone else here is harrassment?)yet rather than question the "common knowledge"- there can only be attacks, demands, etc.  
 
If the above crap isn't trolling, I need someone to define it for me!  
 
Here's another book  
 
Nothing is so upsetting to a liberal as the idea that Blacks willingly supported the Confederacy. It assails their preconceived notions about slavery and their assumptions about how Blacks should think and act. They simply cannot accept the idea that some slaves and many freemen willingly supported the CSA and many served in its' armies. The fallback position is that they were not soldiers as they lacked weapons being only cooks, teamsters or body servants. The same group will accord soldier status to a man who drove the Red Ball in WWII but not a teamster driving a wagon for the AoNV.  
 
This book takes a very close look at Black Confederates, proves that they do exist, and shows how much information was never recorded. The sad part of their story is that it is untold. This is a vital book for anyone interested in the subject.  
 
 
 
Here's a book  
 
Probably, the discovery that more than a few African Americans served on the Confederate side in the Civil War -- and not just as servants, either -- will strike some readers as contradictory, or even unnatural. Certainly, most historians have ignored the subject. But history is history: One must deal with past reality, not subordinate the facts to modern political positions. In researching the subject, Barrow called on the readership of _Confederate Veteran,_ the official publication of the Sons of Confederate Veterans, to submit information on black Southern loyalists. The results were large and diverse, based on official reports, pension applications, family correspondence, newspaper articles, and published memoirs, and from that came this anthology of historical documents and accounts, originally published under the title _Forgotten Confederates._ In fact, the most conservative estimate is that some 50,000 African Americans served on the Confederate side,  
deathburger: nd spends all his time leaving this babbling, raving, accusatory without back up statements  
 
PM's become a comedian, guys!  
 
But really, I too thought it odd and a little annoying that person registered just to leave 80 kajillion of more or less the same comment like that.
Unclelooney: C'mon Mike,  
You've posted several links to this lost causer crap on your site.  
Most recently, you posted an advertisement for your "speech."  
 
Then you posted a self congratulatory link to this site. My guess is you posted it here because you assumed no one with any knowledge of history would see your screed and/or bother to rebutt your false claims.  
 
I posted a URL to a Civil War message board.  
Put your speech up on that board if you're so confident of your point of view..  
To be honest, you'll probably find SOME allies. LOL!  
Unclelooney: Mike,  
I'm not angry. This is funny. I'm rambling? Sorry; I had to cover all the falsehoods in your rambling speech.  
I've seen that book before. The men on the cover are former slaves who were pressed into service as cooks.  
Google the Park service database. It's under SOLDIERS AND SAILORS SYSTEM. Find ONE of your so called black loyalists there.  
 
Post your Controversial, Earth shaking speech on Military History Online. You've done a lot of research. I'm sure you can prove your point. LOL!  
 
lagbnaft: Look, I'm not here to back nor defend Mike's "speach." I am here to tell you this is old. You've made your point so please move along to something else. There are plenty of other links here. Have a look around. Post even if you've the notion to but the "horse" is beaten to death already.  
 
Thanks,  
 
lag
tomcat101147: Are you sure they shouldn't kick it a few more times to make sure it's not gonna marvelously resurrect itself? Make horsemeat chili or something?
FoolProof: Start a flame war in one of my links. I could use the XP. :)